Understanding Who is Lord Shiva With Scriptural References.


HELLO, DEAR PEOPLE OF SHAIVISM

▪ Hare Krishna, Please Don't have Bad opinion on ISKCON or Krishna Consciousness or on Lord Krishna... , Because of ISKCON only all over world they know bhagavad gita, Krishna Consciousness is not at all a religion it's a community to follow bhagavad gita as it is..

Bhagavadgita is not only spiritual but it is also psychological, scientific and historically accurate book and it's the oldest book, Bhagavad gita is not only truth but it's the absolute eternal truth which describes Law of Karma, Nature of Soul, Human Consciousness, Reincarnation, Who is God, The Real Nature of God, Responsibility of One's own life, What is sin, How to Escape or Minimize bad karmic reactions etc..

▪ Bhagavad Gita is knowledge of five basic truths and the relationship of each truth to the other: These five truths are Krishna, or God, the individual soul, the material world, action in this world, and time. The Gita lucidly explains the nature of consciousness, the self, and the universe. It is the essence of India's spiritual wisdom.

▪ Transcendental knowledge of the most profound spiritual nature as revealed in the Bhagavad Gita. It is the divine discourse spoken by the Supreme Lord Krishna Himself and is the most popular and well known of all the sacred scriptures from ancient India. Always being referred as a true source of spiritual knowledge it reveals the purpose and goal of human existence.

Bhagavad gita answers all questions of life..

That's Why Even Legally by Indian Government Bhagavad gita is Considered as *Satya Veda*, That's why in court they take oath on bhagavad gita and not on any other purana or vedas.

▪ In Chapter no 11 of Bhagavad Gita Krishna Reveals his Vishwaroopa, In Krishna Vishvarupa Krishma shows all 33 million demigods (including shiva and vishnu) as his parts indicating that he is supreme of all, That's why we say krishna is the paripoorna (Complete) avatar of paramatma (or parabrahman)..

▪ Also Only Krishna has all 64 qualities of paramatma which is mentioned in all hindu vedas and upanishads if you have doubt then just *Read Below Link to know all 64 qualities of parabrahman which krishna have.

http://nitaaiveda.com/Compiled_and_Imp_Scriptures/Glories_of_Lord_Krishna/Krishna_the_Supreme_Absolute_Truth/64_Qualities_of_Lord_Krishna.htm


In the Skanda Purana, Lord Shiva tells Karttikeya


shiva-sahasreshu tad graham

bhagavad-chestra-yogi yat

paramo vishnur evaikas

taj jnanam moksha-sadhanam

sahasranama nirnayam tv

eshas tad anyan mohanaya hi. iti.

"The statements of the Saiva scriptures should be accepted only when they agree with the Vaishnava scriptures. Lord Vishnu is the only Supreme Lord, and knowledge of Him is the path to liberation. That is the conclusion of all the scriptures. Any other conclusions are meant only to bewilder the people."

▪ According to Hindu Scriptures (Not Bhagavad gita) Shiva and Vishnu Mutually worshipped each other to show them that both are Supreme.

Eg:-

Krishna Worshipping Shiva.

▪ In Parashurama avatar, Parashu Rama Worships shiva and gets his axe to kill evil kshatriyas.

▪ In Rama Avatar, Sri Rama Worshipped shiva in Form of Rameshwara

▪ In Krishna Swayam Avatar Krishna Worshipped shiva in form of Gopeshwar Mahadeva.

Shiva Worshipping Krishna(Vishnu)

▪ Shiva Purana There Comes a story where parvati asks Shiva about whom you are meditating always

▪ Shiva Replies by saying the he always meditate on krishna (Rama), He is in my Heart.

▪ Also Hanuman is incarnation of Shiva who is a very very great devotee of Lord Rama.

▪ There Comes a Story in Shiva Mahapurana When krishna was born, Shiva Himself incarnates on this Earth as Saint to take darshan of Sri Krishna.

▪ Also There is Another Story in Shiva Maha Purana where Lord Shiva Couldn't Protect Himself from Vamasura where *Shiva Seeks help to Lord Krishna*, *Lord Krishna Destroys Camasura and Saves Lord Shiva*.

▪ There is Another Story in Shiva Purana Where Shiva was in Deep Meditation, Lord Krishna who was Child Disturbs Shiva Meditation by playing flute, Lord shiva gets angry and takes away krishna's flute, at the same time Lord krishna takes shiva trishul and starts running, shiva starts chasing krishna, After some time Krishna Returns Trishul and Takes back Flute, Krishna Asks to Shiva Whom you were always meditating (Krishna Already knows, But he still asks) Shiva Replies I always meditates on you, Shiva always Destroys the persons who disturbs his meditation, but he couldn't do anything to krishna because shiva knows that krishna is supreme.

▪ If You want to Still Know More Reasons Then Visit link without miss..

http://www.harekrishnatemple.com/bhakta/chapter10.html

Both Krishna(Vishnu) and Shiva were worshipping Each other Because

shivaya vishnu roopaya, shiva roopaya vishnave

shivascha hridayangam vishnu, vishnucha hridayangam shive

Meaning:- Shiva is the form of vishnu and vishnu is the form of shiva, That's why we say shiva is the first vaishnava

Vishnu is in heart of shiva and shiva is in heart of vishnu, Both Cannot live without each other.


ONE MORE WEIRD FACT IS


▪ Hiranyakashipu is Great devotee of Lord shiva who was killed by lord narasimha who is an avatar of krishna (vishnu).

▪ Ravana is a Great Devotee of Shiva and Ravana was killed by Lord Sri Ram who is  avatar of krishna (Vishnu).

▪ Jarasandha is devotee of shiva who was killed by bhima who is krishna devotee

▪ There are so many instances like this where shiva devotee developed demonic qualities and was killed by Lord Krishna Avatars, Even Lord Shiva Couldn't Save his Devotees From Krishna, But there is Not even a single story in any of mahapuranas where lord shiva is killing a krishna Devotee..

That's why we say

" If Krishna wants to kill someone, then No one can Save him in this world.
If Krishna wants to save Someone, then No one in this world can even touch him, That's the Power of krishna".


UNDERSTANDING OF LORD SHIVA.



● Lord Shiva is not Devata (Demigod), He is Guna Avatar of Parabrahman.

▪ Shaivism People have very Bad opinion that, Krishna Consciousness people Degarade Lord shiva..

▪ This is not True, If we love krishna That Doesn't mean we must Degrade Lord Shiva, A true Devotee of Krishna will Never Degrade Lord shiva in any manner.

▪ Lord Shiva Position in Krishna Consciousness in so special, Lord Shiva is Unlimitedly glorious, Lord shiva in fact is Supreme and above the other demigods like indra, Lord Brahma.

▪ The others are all jivas they are conditioned living beings empowered in various ways for the administration of the material world.

▪ Lord Shiva is above them all, He is on the same level of lord vishnu himself, But still a little distinction exist Because Lord Vishnu is a Transcendental form of Krishna, Both Lord vishnu and Lord shiva are Guna Avatar of Krishna.

▪ Out of All 64 Qualities of parabrahman  Only Krishna Possess (100%) all 64 qualities but lord Vishnu and Lord shiva(84%)  Do Not have all qualities (They lacks in some qualities) So That's why only Krishna is Considered as Paripoorna avatar of Parabrahman or Bhagavan which is the Absolute truth. That's Why in Every Worship of Demigod Finally we Say *Sarvam Sri Krishnarpanamastu*.


Brahma Samhita gives Correct explanation Regarding Vishnu and Shiva


▪ Brahma samhita tells that Vishnu and Shiva are like Milk and Yogurt, Vishnu is Milk, Shiva is yogurt, One cannot exist without Another.

▪ There is no difference between milk and yogurt, but still Milk is the Original substance, yogurt is its transformation.

▪ So lord Shiva is Properly regarded as Non Different from lord vishnu, when you glorify lord shiva as supreme lord, glorification is correct because lord shiva is the most powered and exhaled representative of lord krishna.

▪ Lord chaitanya Mahaprabhu Says it as *Achintya bhedabheda tattva* meaning - Simultaneous oneness and Difference.

▪ According to Srimad Bhagavatam 12.13.16 Lord shiva is greatest of all vaishnavas and Lord shiva is the First Vaishnava.

You must understand that In a spirit of transcendental love , Lord krishna although supreme personality of godhead, takes a role of charioteer for his devotees like arjuna, Becomes a Child for devotees like yashoda, In the same way lord worshipped shiva in his incarnations, Thus lord becomes devotee of his devotees...

▪ With this Understanding Devotees of Hare Krishna Movement Worship shiva with great reverence and respect..

▪ All Trimurtis ie Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are Guna Avatars of Parabrahman*

▪ Brahma Tattva - The Power of Creation.

▪ Vishnu Tattva -  The Power of preservation.

▪ Shiva Tattva  - The Power of destruction.


SHIVALINGA DOES NOT MEAN SHIVA GENITAL ORGAN



Western scholars Mistranslated Verse of Rigveda.


Rig Veda 7.21.5 …Let our true God subdue the hostile rabble: let not the lewd [Shishan Deva] approach our holy worship.
The Sanskrit word here is Shishan+Deva which means Penis Worshipers. The word Shishan (also spelled Sisna) means Penis. Maharshi Yaska explains this verse in his book Nirukta,

”May he, the noble one, defy the manifold creatures, let phallus worshippers not penetrate our sanctuary.

May he overpower them, i.e. the manifold creatures who are hostile to us.Let the phallus worshippers, i.e. the unchaste Sisna (phallus) is derived from (the root) snath (to pierce) not approach our sanctuary, i. e. our truth, or sacrifice.”-Nirukta 4.19

Now who else could this Phallus worshippers be other than the Shiva Lingam worshippers.


THIS TRANSLATION IS WRONG.


Lingam is a form of shiva ,who is also called aadishankar means the one who is from the begining. Shiva is mentioned with the name rudra in rigveda and lingam-stuti started mostly after samundra manthan where there was form vasuki parvat shaped like lingam .

Rigveda,
Dirghatamas 1.164, Narayana 10.90

It is indeed based on fertility symbol. The earliest depictions of lingam do show that. (See Gudimallam Lingam) Later, Lingam was associated with “Kalagni” Rudra and finally with Vedic Agni who stands as a pillar from earth to sky in Vedas and himself is the sacrifice and the origin of the creation. At the time of Linga Purana, Lingam had been aniconised to a fire pillar.


Symbolically

symbol or mark is an abstract or aniconic representation of the Hindu deity, Shiva, used for worship in temples, smaller shrines, or asself-manifested natural objects.

In traditional Indian society, the linga is seen as a symbol of the energy and potential of Shiva himself.

The lingam is often represented alongside the yoni (Sanskrit word, literally "origin" or "source" or "womb"), a symbol of the goddess or of Shakti, female creative energy. The union of linga and yoni represents the "indivisible two-in-oneness of male and female, the passive space and active time from which all life originates".
Rigveda sages Never Practised Ligam idoltary worship


Rigvedic sages and people did not practice idolatry with physical idols. There is no word for idol in the whole Veda, no word for “puja” and for “temple”. The model to worship was never a physical permanent idol or idol of defined nature, but the whole universe.


Vedic sages modelled concepts of God taking the universe as their model. It is to be noted that still these models “were not mental idols”, since their definitions constantly changed from one poem to another, and the fact that the God is beyond concepts is affirmed in Rigveda. For them, the cosmic sacrifice was the model of the mental sacrifice. Thus, the following lines occupy the core philosophy of Rigveda :

“By sacrifice, they sacrificed the sacrifice. These primary dharmas existed”.

(Dirghatamas 1.164, Narayana 10.90)

Rigveda 10.130 indeed gives us the clear indication that the seven divinely sages who created the path for, and excelled in “songs (stomaH) and metres (chhandasaH)” were the model for the new poets. This creation of Vedic poems by weaving back and forth through the precious utilization of various chandas is the origin of Vedic sacrifice. At least, that is what Rigveda calls “yajna”.

So, why did I ramble this much?

Rigveda does not mention idolatry, nor does it seem to include such a silly concept in its realms had idolatry been prominent in its time. Thus, one should not expect it to go well with Lingam concept.

Now, regarding lingam concept, however you try to apologize, it is indeed based on fertility symbol. The earliest depictions of lingam do show that. (See Gudimallam Lingam) Later, Lingam was associated with “Kalagni” Rudra and finally with Vedic Agni who stands as a pillar from earth to sky in Vedas and himself is the sacrifice and the origin of the creation. At the time of Linga Purana, Lingam had been aniconised to a fire pillar.

However, in the earliest myths of Shiva and in Tantric aspects, the meaning of Lingam stands unchanged. The epithet of “Urdhva-retas”, the base of yoni etc. clearly prove that.

Now, coming back to Rigvedic mention, it mentions “shishna-devas”, which without apologetic or bad methods, translates simply as “those who worship penis”, or “penis-gods” (?).


The second one is utterly meaningless in our context, but the first one has a valid counterpart of “phallus worshipers”. Of course, the argument could be that the “civilized Aryans” scorned the worship of “uncivilized barbarians”, but it does rather seem possible that the shishna deva meant one who worships the sexual pleasures, or “one who is addicted to his sexual pleasures”.


It seems unlikely that shishna deva meant phallus worshipers, for we don’t really know if Vedic people really knew about Lingam worship by any person. But it cannot be used to say that Rigveda recommends idolatry or lingam worship.

Neither Rigveda nor do the other Vedas (or even Brahmanas) talk of physical idols and temples. May be because there were no temples or idols, but on seeing the philosophy of Vedas, it does not seem to let itself down to the idea of simple idolatry, nature worship, totemization or creating mental idols and fixed characteristics for “God”. In that way, it surpasses the lesser philosophies of Abrahamic Monotheism and hard core polytheism.


Debates around World Regarding Shiva linga means shiva genital organ or not...

In 1825 Horace Hayman Wilson's work on thelingayat sect of South India attempted to refute British notions[specify] that the lingam graphically represented a human organ and that it aroused erotic emotions in its devotees.

Monier-Williams wrote in Brahmanism and Hinduism that the symbol of linga is "never in the mind of a Shaiva (or Shiva-worshipper) connected with indecent ideas, nor with sexual love".

In contrast, Jeaneane Fowler believes the linga is "a phallic symbol which represents the potent energy which is manifest in the cosmos".

Some scholars, including David James Smith, believe that throughout its history the lingam has represented the phallus; others, including N. Ramachandra Bhatt, believe the phallic interpretation to be a later addition.

M.K.V. Narayan distinguishes the Siva-linga from anthropomorphic representations of Shiva, and notes its absence from Vedic Literature, and its interpretation as a phallus Tantric sources.

At the Paris Congress of the History of Religions in 1900, Ramakrishna's follower Swami Vivekananda argued that the Shiva-Linga had its origin in the idea of the Yupa-Stambha or Skambha, the sacrificial post, idealized in Vedic ritual as the symbol of the Eternal Brahman.


This interpretation was in response to a paper read by Gustav Oppert, a German Orientalist, who traced the origin of the Salagrama-Shila and the Shiva-Linga to phallicism.

According to Vivekananda, the explanation of the Salagrama-Shila as a phallic emblem was an imaginary invention. Vivekananda argued that this explanation of the Shiva-Linga as a phallic emblem was brought forward by the most thoughtless, and was forthcoming in India in her most degraded times, those of the downfall of Buddhism

According to Swami Sivananda, the view that the Shiva lingam represents the phallus is a mistake. The same sentiments were also expressed by H. H. Wilson in 1840. Diana Eck believes that translators of Shiva Purana Erroneously translated linga as "phallic emblem". She compares the mistranslation "as inadequate as it would be an interpretation of the Christian Eucharist that saw the rite first and foremost as ritual cannibalism, eating the body and drinking its blood".

According to Hélène Brunner, the lines traced on the front side of the linga, which are prescribed in medieval manuals about temple foundation and are a feature even of modern sculptures, appear to be intended to suggest a stylised glans, and some features of the installation process seem intended to echosexual congress. Scholars such as S. N. Balagangadhara have disputed the sexual meaning of lingam.


COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF LORD SHIVA AND KRISHNA.



vadanti tat tattva-vidas
tattvaṁ yaj jñānam advayam
brahmeti paramātmeti
bhagavān iti śabdyate

SYNONYMS

vadanti—they say; tat—that; tattva-vidaḥ—the learned souls; tattvam—the Absolute Truth; yat—which; jñānam—knowledge; advayam—nondual; brahma iti—known as Brahman; paramātmā iti—known as Paramātmā; bhagavān iti—known as Bhagavān; śabdyate—it so sounded.

TRANSLATION

Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān.





PURPORT

● The Absolute Truth is both subject and object, and there is no qualitative difference there. Therefore, Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān are qualitatively one and the same.


● The same substance is realized as impersonal Brahman by the students of the Upaniṣads, as localized Paramātmā by the Hiraṇyagarbhas or the yogīs, and as Bhagavān by the devotees.


● In other words, Bhagavān, or the Personality of Godhead, is the last word of the Absolute Truth. Paramātmā is the partial representation of the Personality of Godhead, and impersonal Brahman is the glowing effulgence of the Personality of Godhead, as the sun rays are to the sun-god.


● Less intelligent students of either of the above schools sometimes argue in favor of their own respective realization, but those who are perfect seers of the Absolute Truth know well that the above three features of the one Absolute Truth are different perspective views seen from different angles of vision.

● As it is explained in the first śloka of the First Chapter of the Bhāgavatam, the Supreme Truth is self-sufficient, cognizant and free from the illusion of relativity. In the relative world the knower is different from the known, but in the Absolute Truth both the knower and the known are one and the same thing. In the relative world the knower is the living spirit or superior energy, whereas the known is inert matter or inferior energy.


● Therefore, there is a duality of inferior and superior energy, whereas in the absolute realm both the knower and the known are of the same superior energy. There are three kinds of energies of the supreme energetic. There is no difference between the energy and energetic, but there is a difference of quality of energies.


● The absolute realm and the living entities are of the same superior energy, but the material world is inferior energy. The living being in contact with the inferior energy is illusioned, thinking he belongs to the inferior energy. Therefore there is the sense of relativity in the material world. In the Absolute there is no such sense of difference between the knower and the known, and therefore everything there is absolute.


The Srimad Bhagavatam states: "Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance brahman, paramatma, and bhagavan." (Srimad Bhagavatam 1.2.11)


As per Srimad Bhagavatam lord shiva is the first vaishnava.

Srimad Bhagavatam in 12.13.16 states:

निम्न-गानां यथा गङ्गा देवानाम् अच्युतो यथा ।
वैष्णवानां यथा शम्भुः पुराणानाम् इदम् तथा ।।

Just as Ganga among rivers, Achyuta among gods, Shambu among Vaishnavas, This (Bhagavatam) is the same among Puranas.


As per as Bhagavad gita, Of all Rudras Bhagavan Krishna is Shiva..


Chapter 10: The Opulence of the Absolute

TEXT 23

rudranam sankaras casmi
vitteso yaksa-raksasam
vasunam pavakas casmi
meruh sikharinam aham

SYNONYMS

rudranam—of all the Rudras; sankarah—Lord Siva; ca—also; asmi—I am; vittesah—the lord of the treasury; yaksa-raksasam—of the Yaksas and Raksasas; vasunam—of the Vasus; pavakah—fire; ca—also; asmi—I am; meruh—Meru; sikharinam—of all mountains; aham—I am.

TRANSLATION

Of all the Rudras I am Lord Siva; of the Yaksas and Raksasas I am the lord of wealth [Kuvera]; of the Vasus I am fire [Agni], and of the mountains I am Meru.



Chapter 4: Transcendental Knowledge

TEXT 11

ye yatha mam prapadyante
tams tathaiva bhajamy aham
mama vartmanuvartante
manusyah partha sarvasah

SYNONYMS

ye—all of them; yatha—as; mam—unto Me; prapadyante—surrender; tan—unto them; tatha—so; eva—certainly; bhajami—do I reward; aham—I; mama—My; vartma—path;anuvartante—do follow; manusyah—all men;partha—O son of Prtha; sarvasah—in all respects.

TRANSLATION

*All of them—as they surrender unto Me—I reward accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Prtha.*

Chapter 9: The Most Confidential Knowledge

TEXT 23

ye 'py anya-devata-bhakta
yajante sraddhayanvitah
te 'pi mam eva kaunteya
yajanty avidhi-purvakam

SYNONYMS

ye—those; api—also; anya—other;devata—demigods; bhaktah—devotees;yajante—worship; sraddhaya-anvitah—with faith; te—they; api—also; mam—Me; eva—even; kaunteya-O son of Kunti; yajanti—sacrifice; avidhi-purvakam—in a wrong way.

TRANSLATION

*O Arjuna, those who worship devotedly different demigods, although faithfully; they also worship I only; but in an unauthorised manner.*

Chapter 10: The Opulence of the Absolute

TEXT 32

sarganam adir antas ca
madhyam caivaham arjuna
adhyatma-vidya vidyanam
vadah pravadatam aham

SYNONYMS

sarganam—of all creations; adih—beginning; antah—end; ca—and; madhyam—middle; ca—also; eva—certainly; aham—I am; arjuna—O Arjuna; adhyatma-vidya—spiritual knowledge; vidyanam—of all education; vadah—natural conclusion;pravadatam—of arguments; aham—I am.

TRANSLATION

Of all creations I am the beginning and the end and also the middle, O Arjuna. Of all sciences I am the spiritual science of the Self, and among logicians I am the conclusive truth.

Chapter 7: Knowledge of the Absolute

TEXT 7

mattah parataram nanyat
kincid asti dhananjaya
mayi sarvam idam protam
sutre mani-gana iva

SYNONYMS

mattah—beyond Myself; parataram—superior; na—not; anyat—anything else;kincit—something; asti—there is;dhananjaya—O conquerer of wealth; mayi—in Me; sarvam—all that be; idam—which we see; protam—strung; sutre—on a thread;mani-ganah—pearls; iva—likened.

TRANSLATION

*O conquerer of wealth [Arjuna], there is no Truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread.*


Chapter 7: Knowledge of the Absolute

TEXT 19

bahunam janmanam ante
jnanavan mam prapadyate
vasudevah sarvam iti
sa mahatma su-durlabhah

SYNONYMS

bahunam—many; janmanam—births;ante—after; jnanavan—he possessing knowledge; mam—unto Me; prapadyate—surrenders; vasudevah—cause of all causes; sarvam—all; iti—thus; sah—such;mahatma—great soul; sudurlabhah—very rare.

TRANSLATION

After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.

If you say shiva is ishwara 'the controller', then krishna is parameshwar 'the supreme controller".

That's why Krishna says in bhagavad gita as

Chapter 7, Verse 20

Those whose minds are distorted by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.

Chapter 7, Verse 21

I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship the demigods, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to some particular deity.

Chapter 7, Verse 22

Endowed with such a faith, he seeks favors of a particular demigod and obtains his desires. But in actuality these benefits are bestowed by Me alone.

Chapter 7, Verse 9

I am the original fragrance of the earth, and I am the heat in fire. I am the life of all that lives, and I am the penances of all ascetics.

Chapter 4, Verse 11

All of them—as they surrender unto Me—I reward accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Pṛthā.

Chapter no 9 shloka 23

O Arjuna, those who worship devotedly different demigods, although faithfully; they also worship I only; but in an unauthorised manner.

Chapter 10, Verse 20

I am the Atman, who is seated in the hearts of all creatures. I am paramatma from who is seed of all atman. I am the beginning( brahma), the middle (vishnu) and the end (shiva) of all creations.

Chapter 18, Verse 65

Always think of Me and become My devotee. Worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this because you are My very dear friend.

Chapter 18, Verse 66

Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.

Thank You For Reading

May Lord Give you Correct Understanding..

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Hare Krishna

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